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	<title>Comments on: Singapore&#8217;s Electricity Prices Pegged to Crude Oil, not Natural Gas!?!?</title>
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		<title>By: Singaporedaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Singaporedaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Inspir3d

Why is electricity prices currently tied to the cost of oil / per barrel and not gas? I know this may sound strange but generation cost per unit i.e the fuel source that is used to generate actual electricity only forms a fraction of the total cost of power companies / that’s not unusual, because if you think about it generating electricity is really just the tip of the iceberg in the entire supply chain of the whole business process – you also need to be able to store, stage and cable power, so try to think about it like water, it helps as many people when they think about power firms don’t really consider the cost of delivery and so they fail to factor in fixed assets i.e infrastructural / capital goods / raw material etc / inventory - so my point is, its not completely realistic to believe you can run away from total fuel cost as there will always be stuff like repeaters, substations and cable laying cost + right down to perhaps the cost of a simple co-axial cable – that is why even wind powered power providers frequently peg their prices to total fuel and operative costs and not to specific fuel generation cost even if their wind happens to be FOC, but their fan blades, the preventive maintenance etc are directly affected by total fuel cost. My point is you can NEVER escape factoring all the stuff that is made by real fuel i.e oil. 

I guess if you really want to understand why electricity is pegged to oil prices, it may be a better way to try to see it in terms of how the govt goes about balancing their budgetary deficits. I pretty dumb so when I use that analogy, it really helps me to visualize the problems they face on the long term. Here it is important not to get too fixated with generation cost otherwise you will get yourself so confused that you will lose your bearing and become disorientated / always bear in mind generation cost is only a fraction of the total cost. So coming back to our comparative with balancing budgetary deficits / why is model so pertinent to our discussion?

Consider this, if we go into recession, some people may lose their jobs / they will cut back on many things, one of them may be electricity / instead of turning on their air-con, they will make do with opening their windows or switching on their fan / their total electricity bill goes down / power firms earn less because of this. Bear in mind the same thing happens on a industrial scale with factories i.e less orders = less production runs = less electricity billings = lower profit / but bear in mind while all this is happening, these power firms still need to service their long term loans they need to upkeep the operational readiness of their infrastructural assets / so money is always going out always bear in mind what really accounts for the bulk cost of a power business isn’t the really the variable cost, but the fixed cost, i.e the stuff the needs to be replaced as a consequence of preventive maintenance and whenever a new power grid news to be laid out / these stuff sometimes needs to amortized through a 20 year period before any prospects of profitability can even be considered / so money is always going out and the trick is to make certain money is still coming in.

But I believe they overdid it this time. I hope I didn’t confuse you and myself in the process. I wrote this real fast, excuse the mistakes.

PS: Standby for com-sat from Harphoon next week, I am sorry we were not able to get an active line / many of our communication has been downed, we will try again next week, check regularly, thx.

SD (internet liaison officer of the brotherhood)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Inspir3d</p>
<p>Why is electricity prices currently tied to the cost of oil / per barrel and not gas? I know this may sound strange but generation cost per unit i.e the fuel source that is used to generate actual electricity only forms a fraction of the total cost of power companies / that’s not unusual, because if you think about it generating electricity is really just the tip of the iceberg in the entire supply chain of the whole business process – you also need to be able to store, stage and cable power, so try to think about it like water, it helps as many people when they think about power firms don’t really consider the cost of delivery and so they fail to factor in fixed assets i.e infrastructural / capital goods / raw material etc / inventory &#8211; so my point is, its not completely realistic to believe you can run away from total fuel cost as there will always be stuff like repeaters, substations and cable laying cost + right down to perhaps the cost of a simple co-axial cable – that is why even wind powered power providers frequently peg their prices to total fuel and operative costs and not to specific fuel generation cost even if their wind happens to be FOC, but their fan blades, the preventive maintenance etc are directly affected by total fuel cost. My point is you can NEVER escape factoring all the stuff that is made by real fuel i.e oil. </p>
<p>I guess if you really want to understand why electricity is pegged to oil prices, it may be a better way to try to see it in terms of how the govt goes about balancing their budgetary deficits. I pretty dumb so when I use that analogy, it really helps me to visualize the problems they face on the long term. Here it is important not to get too fixated with generation cost otherwise you will get yourself so confused that you will lose your bearing and become disorientated / always bear in mind generation cost is only a fraction of the total cost. So coming back to our comparative with balancing budgetary deficits / why is model so pertinent to our discussion?</p>
<p>Consider this, if we go into recession, some people may lose their jobs / they will cut back on many things, one of them may be electricity / instead of turning on their air-con, they will make do with opening their windows or switching on their fan / their total electricity bill goes down / power firms earn less because of this. Bear in mind the same thing happens on a industrial scale with factories i.e less orders = less production runs = less electricity billings = lower profit / but bear in mind while all this is happening, these power firms still need to service their long term loans they need to upkeep the operational readiness of their infrastructural assets / so money is always going out always bear in mind what really accounts for the bulk cost of a power business isn’t the really the variable cost, but the fixed cost, i.e the stuff the needs to be replaced as a consequence of preventive maintenance and whenever a new power grid news to be laid out / these stuff sometimes needs to amortized through a 20 year period before any prospects of profitability can even be considered / so money is always going out and the trick is to make certain money is still coming in.</p>
<p>But I believe they overdid it this time. I hope I didn’t confuse you and myself in the process. I wrote this real fast, excuse the mistakes.</p>
<p>PS: Standby for com-sat from Harphoon next week, I am sorry we were not able to get an active line / many of our communication has been downed, we will try again next week, check regularly, thx.</p>
<p>SD (internet liaison officer of the brotherhood)</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 41</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 41</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Singaporean Mind: Explaining the 21.5% Electricity Tariff Hike&#8230;.. - Under The Willow Tree: Singapore’s Electricity Prices Pegged to Crude Oil, not Natural Gas!?!? [Recommended] - My Sketchbook: The electrifying electricity tariff hike! - TOC: Greed run amok [...]</description>
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		<title>By: xtrocious</title>
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		<dc:creator>xtrocious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a load of bull merde to me...

Someone at SP must not be doing their job right - don&#039;t tell me that they can&#039;t read the market correctly ah?

If spot prices are falling sharply and futures are still high, won&#039;t it be logical to switch more of the requirements to spot...

But if they are not making any mistakes in resource allocation, then are they keeping the &quot;windfall savings&quot; and pushing on the &quot;higher costs&quot; to us?

Whatever it is, we definitely need more transparency...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a load of bull merde to me&#8230;</p>
<p>Someone at SP must not be doing their job right &#8211; don&#8217;t tell me that they can&#8217;t read the market correctly ah?</p>
<p>If spot prices are falling sharply and futures are still high, won&#8217;t it be logical to switch more of the requirements to spot&#8230;</p>
<p>But if they are not making any mistakes in resource allocation, then are they keeping the &#8220;windfall savings&#8221; and pushing on the &#8220;higher costs&#8221; to us?</p>
<p>Whatever it is, we definitely need more transparency&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cf</title>
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		<dc:creator>cf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i may, my two cents...

i understand most prices for public services in singapore are pegged to the opportunity cost instead of the direct material cost (which may be more intuitive to most).  

aside, this observation is also consistent with how our ministers are drawing multi-million dollar salaries, based on the opportunity cost for them to be in public office, as opposed to how much it might cost directly for someone to perform their job.

opportunity cost is a completely reasonable basis to consider how resources are distributed, except this notion is flawed (incomplete) in the singaporean context: whereas opportunity cost is primarily considered by the consumer to make economic decisions (be it factories consuming raw materials, or the general public consuming factory-produced goods), singaporean producers (govt-backed no less) have turned the tables to use opportunity cost to justify price hikes etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i may, my two cents&#8230;</p>
<p>i understand most prices for public services in singapore are pegged to the opportunity cost instead of the direct material cost (which may be more intuitive to most).  </p>
<p>aside, this observation is also consistent with how our ministers are drawing multi-million dollar salaries, based on the opportunity cost for them to be in public office, as opposed to how much it might cost directly for someone to perform their job.</p>
<p>opportunity cost is a completely reasonable basis to consider how resources are distributed, except this notion is flawed (incomplete) in the singaporean context: whereas opportunity cost is primarily considered by the consumer to make economic decisions (be it factories consuming raw materials, or the general public consuming factory-produced goods), singaporean producers (govt-backed no less) have turned the tables to use opportunity cost to justify price hikes etc.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 6 Oct 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 6 Oct 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Energy Crisis Information &#187; Falling oil price threatens 2009 budget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Energy Crisis Information &#187; Falling oil price threatens 2009 budget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Singapore Natural Gas Prices Pegged to Crude Oil, not Natural Gas!!!  By inspir3d  All of Singapore?s power plants predominantly use natural gas to generate their electricity. Because, one would think that it would be natural to peg to price of natural gas, to the price of natural gas. But in Singapore, [...]   Under The Willow Tree - http://www.intelligentsingaporean.com/utwt [...]</description>
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